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  Major changes to convention security beginning in 2017

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  short info on interesting changes to the major conventions this year: there will be a new security concept that will be implemented at all regional conventions in 2017.. similar to other major events (e.g.

  festivals, concerts), there will be admittance controls in stadiums.. - at each entrance, there will be a massive presence of attendants that look at each visitor.. - there will be pocket checks at the entrance.. - suspicious persons are no longer left on the convention grounds.. - suppliers to the stadium will be intensively inspected by attendants.. - there will be a special sign for attendants that must enter the stadium before 7.30 am.

  all others (even all attendants) can only enter after 7.30 am..

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  Bungi Bill

  Or the latest issue of Penthouse?
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  If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that the society claims that jesus invisibly chose the bible students (forerunners of jw) in 1919 to be his organization here on earth.. yet, as we know, so much of what they then taught and did was wrong according to current teaching and practice.. the reply witnesses will give is something like "they were the most sincere seekers of truth blah blah...and jesus could see their potential".

  so, pretend for a moment that the current organization and the 1919 organization were both in concurrent existence at the time he invisibly came to choose.... which would he choose?

  the current or former?.

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  If not them, perhaps the Whakatane branch of the RSA?
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  If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that the society claims that jesus invisibly chose the bible students (forerunners of jw) in 1919 to be his organization here on earth.. yet, as we know, so much of what they then taught and did was wrong according to current teaching and practice.. the reply witnesses will give is something like "they were the most sincere seekers of truth blah blah...and jesus could see their potential".

  so, pretend for a moment that the current organization and the 1919 organization were both in concurrent existence at the time he invisibly came to choose.... which would he choose?

  the current or former?.

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  Bungi Bill

  I don't know - probably the Warriors rugby league team!
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  Counting Field Service Time

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  something that always drove me crazy was when the jw's would say after the meeting on sunday, "i have to go out this afternoon to get my time in.

  " in the car group after service someone would always ask, "so how much time did we get?".

  it the watchtower company said that turning in time is no longer required because jehovah knows what we are doing to serve him, there would be a tremendous drop in the door to door activity and the coffee cart work.

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  Then by extension, if time cannot be "counted" for an activity - e.g. helping somebody in the congregation who is sick or infirm - nobody is going to be interested. Never mind the fact that such an act of kindness is likely to make more of a "witness" than any amount of door knocking!

  Back in 1983-84, my wife of the time became seriously ill and required a total of three months in hospital. We had three small children, two of whom were preschoolers. To get any assistance in caring for my children, I had to turn to a welfare group that was operated collectively by the local churches. This was a small town in which there were very few secrets, and the irony of all this was in no way lost on these very same local churches.

  As for our local congregation, I was accused of "using people" when I attempted to get some help from them. That fact became widely known in the community, too. Hours could not be counted for doing this, so nobody was even remotely interested.

  A bloody good example of "Agape" love being displayed by "Jehovah's Christian Witnesses" - and thank God for Babylon the Great! (That time, anyway).
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  last convention before global attack on witnesses

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so it's not enough that i'm dealing with post traumatic stress/anxiety and panic attacks all related to my life as a jw (50 years baptized -- i stopped going a couple of months ago) at 3 a.m. i get an email from the other side of the world.

  'you have to go to the convention.

  bro sanderson says we must watch the news, things are happening.

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  Some people are saying this is out last convention before a global attack on witnesses."

  I heard this in 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000, 2010 and again in 2016.

  I could add to that 1969, too!
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  They Can't Admit They're Wrong ...

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as 1975 approached, we began to hear the preliminary murmurs of denial from the society rather than any honest admissions or apologies for their dreadful mistake.

  finally, i remember sitting at the watchtower study one sunday listening to the brothers and sisters parroting the information from the study article and innocently taking all of the blame for misinterpreting what the society had said about 1975. it was the first of several occasions when i longed to jump up from my seat, run to the podium, and argue for the apparently forgotten truth.

  instead, i sat there and thought how much the society was like the scribes and pharisees in jesus dayburdening the people with heavy loads that they were not willing to budge with their finger (matthew 23:4).

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  That is one trait that they share with communism - i.e. never ever admit to being wrong!
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  2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

  no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

  instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

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  Bungi Bill

  in the Watchtower October 15, 1968.
  This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent. This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matt. 24:36) To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end. Make no mistake, it is sufficient that the Father himself knows both the "day and hour"!

  Yes, what a bloody cheek these #%$&s have got.

  Just like the Nazis, though, at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, their written records condemn them totally.
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  Muslims are not the only terrorists

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  david goldman's hongkong based (and web published) media journal, the asia,times describes what may be the world's longest running terrorist insurrection in india.

  their latest success was an attack on india's state security forces, in which they killed 26 members of the security force.. you can read the at's attempt to analyse the origins and causes of the naxalite (they are also called maoists) rebellions at: http://www.atimes.com/indias-maoist-violence-must-resolved-dialogue/.

  the hindustan times has a table detailing the dead in this rebellion.. finally, i saw nothing about the latest attack (april) in the aussie media.

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  Smiddy,

  You are quite correct there, of course.
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  Muslims are not the only terrorists

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  david goldman's hongkong based (and web published) media journal, the asia,times describes what may be the world's longest running terrorist insurrection in india.

  their latest success was an attack on india's state security forces, in which they killed 26 members of the security force.. you can read the at's attempt to analyse the origins and causes of the naxalite (they are also called maoists) rebellions at: http://www.atimes.com/indias-maoist-violence-must-resolved-dialogue/.

  the hindustan times has a table detailing the dead in this rebellion.. finally, i saw nothing about the latest attack (april) in the aussie media.

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  Landy,

  You are right on the money there. Who cannot ever forget "The Necklace" (i.e. an old car tyre that was filled with petrol / gasoline, hanged around the victim's neck then set alight). Standard ANC way of dealing with police informers and the like, but handed out with hardly a protest from our media.

  PS: In the whole Left/ Right Liberal/Conservative or whatever debate, there is only one I category that I identify myself with and that is "Left Right Out"!

  Also, it is indeed a sad world if you cannot state a few home truths.
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  Muslims are not the only terrorists

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  david goldman's hongkong based (and web published) media journal, the asia,times describes what may be the world's longest running terrorist insurrection in india.

  their latest success was an attack on india's state security forces, in which they killed 26 members of the security force.. you can read the at's attempt to analyse the origins and causes of the naxalite (they are also called maoists) rebellions at: http://www.atimes.com/indias-maoist-violence-must-resolved-dialogue/.

  the hindustan times has a table detailing the dead in this rebellion.. finally, i saw nothing about the latest attack (april) in the aussie media.

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  Bungi Bill

  Anybody who disbelieves that the Republic of Ireland did not successfully use terrorism in the Irish War of Independence (1919 - 1921) really does need to do some serious research into the matter. Furthermore, they would not have to look very hard, either! The result of this first campaign by the IRA was the Anglo-Irish Treaty of December 1921, which removed 26 counties of Ireland from British Rule.

  That terrorist campaign took place 50 years before the Provisional IRA's failed attempt (1969-1998) to unite the six counties of Ulster with the Irish Republic.

  As with Ireland, also with Israel, the evidence is very easy to find regarding its use of terrorism. Most recently, the American Jewish academic, Richard Falk, described the foundation of Israel as the "most successful terrorist campaign in history." Another informative read is Bruce Hoffman's Israel: The Original Terrorist State.

  On the 1st October 1948, the newly appointed UN Commissioner to Palestine, Ralph Bunche, was presented with a report which listed all known acts of Jewish terrorism that had occurred over the previous four years. These began on the 6th November 1944, with the assassination of the British Resident Minister in the Middle East, Lord Moyne. These ended on the 17th September 1948, with the assassination of Ralph Bunche's predecessor, the United Nations Mediator for Palestine, Count Folke Bernadotte. There was a total of 259 incidents of terrorism on that list.

  It is generally agreed that the "Jewish Insurrection", as it is sometimes referred to as, had the effect of making "the cost of occupation too high" for a nearly bankrupt Britain. That led to a British evacuation of the territory in May of 1948, thus leaving the problem to the United Nations.

  You certainly do not have to be a Major in History to uncover this information!